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		<title>Comment on Signalbox moves again by Rhydgaled</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhydgaled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 17:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t see my proposed timetable (linked from a comment in REVEALED: the Fishguard &amp; Goodwick timetable) then Swansea Jack? I think that was a realistic aim before the May 14th timetable extended the Pembroke Dock - Swansea train to Cardiff and hence removed the idle unit at Swansea. That change makes my suggested timetable unachievable for now, but wouldn&#039;t you say the SDL component (a single class 158 running a 07:55 Fishguard to Cardiff, followed by an 11am-ish departure from Cardiff back to Fishguard (basicly the current boat train, but timed a little quicker) and the 13:30 Fishguard - Cardiff and finishing off with a 17:54 Cardiff - Fishguard to give passengers an alternative to the 17:39 &#039;sardine express&#039;) was a realistic aim? 

However, I think that we may also need to secure an official long-term asperation for a more-frequent service (long term being sometime in the next franchise probably) in order to ensure the SDL is maintained fully to its current standards.

Is that not realistic? 

P.S. I don&#039;t think I ever suggested we should ask for a ticket office, a parcels office or a fire, at Fishguard &amp; Goodwick station.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t see my proposed timetable (linked from a comment in REVEALED: the Fishguard &amp; Goodwick timetable) then Swansea Jack? I think that was a realistic aim before the May 14th timetable extended the Pembroke Dock &#8211; Swansea train to Cardiff and hence removed the idle unit at Swansea. That change makes my suggested timetable unachievable for now, but wouldn&#8217;t you say the SDL component (a single class 158 running a 07:55 Fishguard to Cardiff, followed by an 11am-ish departure from Cardiff back to Fishguard (basicly the current boat train, but timed a little quicker) and the 13:30 Fishguard &#8211; Cardiff and finishing off with a 17:54 Cardiff &#8211; Fishguard to give passengers an alternative to the 17:39 &#8216;sardine express&#8217;) was a realistic aim? </p>
<p>However, I think that we may also need to secure an official long-term asperation for a more-frequent service (long term being sometime in the next franchise probably) in order to ensure the SDL is maintained fully to its current standards.</p>
<p>Is that not realistic? </p>
<p>P.S. I don&#8217;t think I ever suggested we should ask for a ticket office, a parcels office or a fire, at Fishguard &amp; Goodwick station.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Day Two: Park and Ride by Swansea Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swansea Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 16:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed on Monday that Whitland to Goodwick &amp; return is £5-20 with a Pembrokeshire Railcard, while a Goodwick - Clarby Road with the same railcard is the same price. A Clunderwen - Fishguard Harbour with the local railcard is £5-35 so it seems as if Goodwick is in a different pricing zone to the Harbour, while Clarby, Clundewen and Whitland seem to be in the same one. I will investigate further,but all the fares are good value if purchased with a railcard- I couldn&#039;t pay the petrol for a Whitland - Goodwick return trip in my car for those fares!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed on Monday that Whitland to Goodwick &amp; return is £5-20 with a Pembrokeshire Railcard, while a Goodwick &#8211; Clarby Road with the same railcard is the same price. A Clunderwen &#8211; Fishguard Harbour with the local railcard is £5-35 so it seems as if Goodwick is in a different pricing zone to the Harbour, while Clarby, Clundewen and Whitland seem to be in the same one. I will investigate further,but all the fares are good value if purchased with a railcard- I couldn&#8217;t pay the petrol for a Whitland &#8211; Goodwick return trip in my car for those fares!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Signalbox moves again by Swansea Jack</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=484#comment-9675</link>
		<dc:creator>Swansea Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile back on the thread, it is great to see a proper use being made of Aberaeron signal box after such a long time - a similar period to Goodwick station of course. Billy Fowler was my form teacher in Ysgol Uwchradd Abergwaun back in the 1970s and we need to thank him and his wife for the foresight firstly to preserve the old structure, and secondly to donate it to the Gwili Railway where it will once again have the opportunity to control trains - the job for which it was designed back in 1911.

It&#039;s great to see part of the old Lampeter, Aberayron and New Quay Light Railway finding a railway use again. Well done all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile back on the thread, it is great to see a proper use being made of Aberaeron signal box after such a long time &#8211; a similar period to Goodwick station of course. Billy Fowler was my form teacher in Ysgol Uwchradd Abergwaun back in the 1970s and we need to thank him and his wife for the foresight firstly to preserve the old structure, and secondly to donate it to the Gwili Railway where it will once again have the opportunity to control trains &#8211; the job for which it was designed back in 1911.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to see part of the old Lampeter, Aberayron and New Quay Light Railway finding a railway use again. Well done all!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Signalbox moves again by Swansea Jack</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=484#comment-9674</link>
		<dc:creator>Swansea Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in my view we have a wonderful new station. Heritage, and conservation have their place, but what cannot happen is that the railway and its infrastructure get preserved in aspic for the future. What we need is a modern railway that is fit for the 21st century, not some museum piece that looks quaint and wonderful and is of little use to the travelling public.  The general public might find the Titfield Thunderbolt concept great on the Gwili Railway or at Llangollen, but wouldn&#039;t consider it as a valid alternative to the car!

 Over the next few years we will see electrification of the Great western Main line with all those wonderful Brunelian structures like Maidenhead bridge over the Thames , Sydney Gardens in Bath and Box Tunnel. We need to avoid all this grade 1 listed / conservation status stuff which will simply push up costs and delay completion of the electrification project. 

Nice as the replacement building is at Goodwick the cold facts are that there is presently no use for the building, and lack of a suitable use is what condemned the old structure to ruin.  I am pleased enough with the structure and really do hope that a suitable use can be found for it as soon as possible, but while we do need to avoid the wanton destruction of structures as witnessed in the 1960s across the UK we also have to be realistic in what is possible. The replacement building had to be entirely on PCC land, it does not form part of the station, although it does provide a wonderful background, and adds something to the station yard! Building regulations have moved on considerably since 1899 so building a replica wasn&#039;t possible, what the contractors have achieved certainly captures the spirit of the original which was the point, although what it would never do is to be an exact replica of a 1950s station building with a roaring waiting room fire, with a parcels office and a ticket office that some seem to crave. 

Could I suggest that anyone who wants to see the railways of this country preserved as a museum piece  head off to Bronwydd Arms and the Gwili Railway and help to support those who are trying to show the railways as they were in that era.

The point about the Swansea District line (SDL) is valid, but again if we are not realistic in our aims we will get nowhere. The aim at present has to be:
 a) maintaining the route as a through passenger line,
b) getting a morning Eastbound and evening peak Westbound service to use the line as a way of getting a faster Carmarthen (&amp; Pembrokeshire- i.e Milford) to Cardiff commuter service. The days when the SDL&#039;s main use was for London to Fishguard boat trains, Ocean liner specials, and Summer Saturday Holiday trains to Tenby and South Pembrokeshire are long gone, but building up a case for a West Wales version of Von Ieuan&#039;s Express from Holyhead to Cardiff is certainly achievable, although a 175 2 car set is probably more realistic than a loco-hauled set in this case.

In the medium term, hopefully after the electrification sparks effect increases passenger travel on the South wales Main Line, we could then push for a Morriston Parkway type station to tap the demand for Swansea Valley area to Cardiff journeys, with an hourly or better service, although getting SWWITCH interested in promoting travel opportunities to Cardiff could be difficult. 

Any talk of  2 hourly Fishguard to Cardiff express service at this stage will simply result in the promoters being treated as unrealistic; one of the big lessons learned about the Fishguard trains and Goodwick station campaigns is that we were realistic in our expectations; if we hadn&#039;t been thus we&#039;d still have just the 2 trains a day! Hatti Woakes is correct in what she said to camera on Wales Today on Monday evening - focus on what is achievable, or be condemned to campaign in vain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in my view we have a wonderful new station. Heritage, and conservation have their place, but what cannot happen is that the railway and its infrastructure get preserved in aspic for the future. What we need is a modern railway that is fit for the 21st century, not some museum piece that looks quaint and wonderful and is of little use to the travelling public.  The general public might find the Titfield Thunderbolt concept great on the Gwili Railway or at Llangollen, but wouldn&#8217;t consider it as a valid alternative to the car!</p>
<p> Over the next few years we will see electrification of the Great western Main line with all those wonderful Brunelian structures like Maidenhead bridge over the Thames , Sydney Gardens in Bath and Box Tunnel. We need to avoid all this grade 1 listed / conservation status stuff which will simply push up costs and delay completion of the electrification project. </p>
<p>Nice as the replacement building is at Goodwick the cold facts are that there is presently no use for the building, and lack of a suitable use is what condemned the old structure to ruin.  I am pleased enough with the structure and really do hope that a suitable use can be found for it as soon as possible, but while we do need to avoid the wanton destruction of structures as witnessed in the 1960s across the UK we also have to be realistic in what is possible. The replacement building had to be entirely on PCC land, it does not form part of the station, although it does provide a wonderful background, and adds something to the station yard! Building regulations have moved on considerably since 1899 so building a replica wasn&#8217;t possible, what the contractors have achieved certainly captures the spirit of the original which was the point, although what it would never do is to be an exact replica of a 1950s station building with a roaring waiting room fire, with a parcels office and a ticket office that some seem to crave. </p>
<p>Could I suggest that anyone who wants to see the railways of this country preserved as a museum piece  head off to Bronwydd Arms and the Gwili Railway and help to support those who are trying to show the railways as they were in that era.</p>
<p>The point about the Swansea District line (SDL) is valid, but again if we are not realistic in our aims we will get nowhere. The aim at present has to be:<br />
 a) maintaining the route as a through passenger line,<br />
b) getting a morning Eastbound and evening peak Westbound service to use the line as a way of getting a faster Carmarthen (&amp; Pembrokeshire- i.e Milford) to Cardiff commuter service. The days when the SDL&#8217;s main use was for London to Fishguard boat trains, Ocean liner specials, and Summer Saturday Holiday trains to Tenby and South Pembrokeshire are long gone, but building up a case for a West Wales version of Von Ieuan&#8217;s Express from Holyhead to Cardiff is certainly achievable, although a 175 2 car set is probably more realistic than a loco-hauled set in this case.</p>
<p>In the medium term, hopefully after the electrification sparks effect increases passenger travel on the South wales Main Line, we could then push for a Morriston Parkway type station to tap the demand for Swansea Valley area to Cardiff journeys, with an hourly or better service, although getting SWWITCH interested in promoting travel opportunities to Cardiff could be difficult. </p>
<p>Any talk of  2 hourly Fishguard to Cardiff express service at this stage will simply result in the promoters being treated as unrealistic; one of the big lessons learned about the Fishguard trains and Goodwick station campaigns is that we were realistic in our expectations; if we hadn&#8217;t been thus we&#8217;d still have just the 2 trains a day! Hatti Woakes is correct in what she said to camera on Wales Today on Monday evening &#8211; focus on what is achievable, or be condemned to campaign in vain!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Signalbox moves again by Rhydgaled</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=484#comment-9672</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhydgaled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night, after the joy of having a new station opened had subsided, I started to wonder if it was worth it. Almost certainly of course, the much increased publicity (there was an article in the Western Mail also, including a mention on the cover) and improved accessibility for car users and Goodwick residents should all mean the station provides a massive boost to the rail service. 

However, whenever I momentarily forget these huge benefits, I can’t help thinking that we have an almost-soulless modern station, not the one with historic character I had hoped Goodwick would have eventually (eventually being around the end of the trial rail service period, which was the earliest I dared hope they would replace the demolished station building). 

Of course even the modern station we have gained is very much better than no station at all. The only concern here really is that the conservation area rules have failed to ensure the character of the area was maintained. We need much more effective regulations for preserving built heritage and the appearance of areas. That is a whole separate issue from public transport services of course, so this probably isn’t the right place for discussing this further (and there are far more important, and relevant, challenges ahead).

Speaking of more important challenges, Swansea Jack has mentioned on the WNXX forum the Gowerton redoubling works are to be carried out as a 2 week big bang closure over Easter 2013, with West Wales services being diverted via the Swansea District line. That clearly sets the deadline by which we have to ensure the future of the SDL is secured. The other major challenge is integrating the various public transport modes we now have in north Pembs.

At the reopening on Monday, I thought more about how to use the buildings. I like the idea, posted by Bulleid Pacific on ‘Goodwick Station: The final works’ for the main building to contain a museum. It would appear the public toilets in the Ocean Lab building (and the building next door) are both going to be lost under the marina development, so I suggest relocating these into the main building at FGW also. So the main building would have toilets, and a museum. Having the public toilets relocated there means someone will be coming round every so often to maintain them, and while they are at it they can keep an eye on a basic waiting room inside the brick shed. The brick shed could be locked by the guard on the evening FGH to Carmarthen service, and unlocked by the guard on the first Carmarthen to Fishguard service in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night, after the joy of having a new station opened had subsided, I started to wonder if it was worth it. Almost certainly of course, the much increased publicity (there was an article in the Western Mail also, including a mention on the cover) and improved accessibility for car users and Goodwick residents should all mean the station provides a massive boost to the rail service. </p>
<p>However, whenever I momentarily forget these huge benefits, I can’t help thinking that we have an almost-soulless modern station, not the one with historic character I had hoped Goodwick would have eventually (eventually being around the end of the trial rail service period, which was the earliest I dared hope they would replace the demolished station building). </p>
<p>Of course even the modern station we have gained is very much better than no station at all. The only concern here really is that the conservation area rules have failed to ensure the character of the area was maintained. We need much more effective regulations for preserving built heritage and the appearance of areas. That is a whole separate issue from public transport services of course, so this probably isn’t the right place for discussing this further (and there are far more important, and relevant, challenges ahead).</p>
<p>Speaking of more important challenges, Swansea Jack has mentioned on the WNXX forum the Gowerton redoubling works are to be carried out as a 2 week big bang closure over Easter 2013, with West Wales services being diverted via the Swansea District line. That clearly sets the deadline by which we have to ensure the future of the SDL is secured. The other major challenge is integrating the various public transport modes we now have in north Pembs.</p>
<p>At the reopening on Monday, I thought more about how to use the buildings. I like the idea, posted by Bulleid Pacific on ‘Goodwick Station: The final works’ for the main building to contain a museum. It would appear the public toilets in the Ocean Lab building (and the building next door) are both going to be lost under the marina development, so I suggest relocating these into the main building at FGW also. So the main building would have toilets, and a museum. Having the public toilets relocated there means someone will be coming round every so often to maintain them, and while they are at it they can keep an eye on a basic waiting room inside the brick shed. The brick shed could be locked by the guard on the evening FGH to Carmarthen service, and unlocked by the guard on the first Carmarthen to Fishguard service in the morning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Day Two: Park and Ride by Rhydgaled</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=476#comment-9670</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhydgaled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do they issue FGW - FGH tickets, and is it only free for this week?

If it is free, and they issue tickets, that could be one way of boosting passenger numbers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do they issue FGW &#8211; FGH tickets, and is it only free for this week?</p>
<p>If it is free, and they issue tickets, that could be one way of boosting passenger numbers!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Day Two: Park and Ride by Spad</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=476#comment-9669</link>
		<dc:creator>Spad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spotted. Just one of the value-for money tickets available to early birds this week, before the proper fares kick in next week. HOT TIP: Best bargain is Fishguard and Goodwick to Fishguard Harbour return. It&#039;s free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spotted. Just one of the value-for money tickets available to early birds this week, before the proper fares kick in next week. HOT TIP: Best bargain is Fishguard and Goodwick to Fishguard Harbour return. It&#8217;s free.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Day Two: Park and Ride by DBJ</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=476#comment-9663</link>
		<dc:creator>DBJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 07:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>£2.70????!!!!</description>
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		<title>Comment on OPEN ! by Spad</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=455#comment-9653</link>
		<dc:creator>Spad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 21:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardderchog !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardderchog !</p>
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		<title>Comment on OPEN ! by DBJ</title>
		<link>http://fishguardtrains.info/?p=455#comment-9641</link>
		<dc:creator>DBJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 13:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uploaded some of the news coverage from yesterday, for those that missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPKx4zIZIRM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5_PoA5S3n0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uploaded some of the news coverage from yesterday, for those that missed it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPKx4zIZIRM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPKx4zIZIRM</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5_PoA5S3n0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5_PoA5S3n0</a></p>
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